Mark Bayer

No, actually, it's a terrible idea. It's a huge loophole. What should we do instead? These are questions that scientists ask themselves all the time. So much of the scientific method is applicable beyond academia, and curiosity is just one little thing. Then the analyticals, you can also talk about, okay, I have all this data. One thing scientists are very careful about, is this data sound?

No, actually, it's a terrible idea. It's a huge loophole. What should we do instead? These are questions that scientists ask themselves all the time. So much of the scientific method is applicable beyond academia, and curiosity is just one little thing. Then the analyticals, you can also talk about, okay, I have all this data. One thing scientists are very careful about, is this data sound?

Is it credible? People like to make arguments with facts all the time. And one question from a scientist in a meeting on Capitol Hill asking, oh, it's interesting you're presenting that. What was the sample size? Now, that's a question that scientists ask all the time and are aware of. But if you were to ask that in a briefing on Capitol Hill with all these policymakers, there might be a silence.

Is it credible? People like to make arguments with facts all the time. And one question from a scientist in a meeting on Capitol Hill asking, oh, it's interesting you're presenting that. What was the sample size? Now, that's a question that scientists ask all the time and are aware of. But if you were to ask that in a briefing on Capitol Hill with all these policymakers, there might be a silence.

Because they wouldn't want to ask that question. And then if it was a small sample size, the data that this expert just presented or somebody just cited is garbage. And so that is a huge thing. For example, just one, it could have a huge impact. And somebody coming from a PhD program might say, oh, that's probably already thought of that. But the answer is they didn't think of that. Most likely.

Because they wouldn't want to ask that question. And then if it was a small sample size, the data that this expert just presented or somebody just cited is garbage. And so that is a huge thing. For example, just one, it could have a huge impact. And somebody coming from a PhD program might say, oh, that's probably already thought of that. But the answer is they didn't think of that. Most likely.

And so that kind of analysis, the ability to really, this gets into an attribute, as you suggested, the tenacity. Like I worked on this air cargo project to change the law with my boss. Now we ultimately succeeded. It took five years. And that's a long timeline in many ways. An academic might look at that and say, yeah, we're in it for a little bit of a long haul here. Right.

And so that kind of analysis, the ability to really, this gets into an attribute, as you suggested, the tenacity. Like I worked on this air cargo project to change the law with my boss. Now we ultimately succeeded. It took five years. And that's a long timeline in many ways. An academic might look at that and say, yeah, we're in it for a little bit of a long haul here. Right.

And the ability not to get frustrated when there are setbacks. And there were a lot of setbacks to figure out new ways of doing things. Something that, oh, that hypothesis that we had, actually, it's not accurate. Let's find a different way. These are all things that within a scientific environment that PhDs and researchers are doing all the time. And they're so applicable.

And the ability not to get frustrated when there are setbacks. And there were a lot of setbacks to figure out new ways of doing things. Something that, oh, that hypothesis that we had, actually, it's not accurate. Let's find a different way. These are all things that within a scientific environment that PhDs and researchers are doing all the time. And they're so applicable.

In so many ways, even in industry, you could say we're going to try this. We got to make sure if it doesn't work, you know, we don't we want to abandon it and try something new pretty quickly. So just a lot of skills and attributes that scientists have, everything from the analytical to the mindset are so valuable in careers beyond academia.

In so many ways, even in industry, you could say we're going to try this. We got to make sure if it doesn't work, you know, we don't we want to abandon it and try something new pretty quickly. So just a lot of skills and attributes that scientists have, everything from the analytical to the mindset are so valuable in careers beyond academia.

I'm so glad you mentioned that because there are a couple of different levels as to how that's a strength from my perspective. And so I, as I've had a podcast when science speaks for quite a while, and one of the things I do, we talk all about these issues. And one of the things I do is I look for scientists who are phenomenal scientists and phenomenal communicators, right?

I'm so glad you mentioned that because there are a couple of different levels as to how that's a strength from my perspective. And so I, as I've had a podcast when science speaks for quite a while, and one of the things I do, we talk all about these issues. And one of the things I do is I look for scientists who are phenomenal scientists and phenomenal communicators, right?

We talked about some of the gaps and some of the benefits, and then Those people are out there. And one of the early interviewees that I had, the scientist and a professor named Elizabeth Wayne. And Liz Wayne is phenomenal in a variety of ways. She's a cancer researcher. And the innovation and creativity that she's bringing to that to try to cure various types of cancer is phenomenal.

We talked about some of the gaps and some of the benefits, and then Those people are out there. And one of the early interviewees that I had, the scientist and a professor named Elizabeth Wayne. And Liz Wayne is phenomenal in a variety of ways. She's a cancer researcher. And the innovation and creativity that she's bringing to that to try to cure various types of cancer is phenomenal.

And she's a great communicator. So I became fascinated in this question of how does this happen? Because I focus on verbal. I'm a communications guy. I don't do experiments in the lab. I never did. After high school, I stopped really taking science. And so here you have someone in Dr. Wayne who has both. So I always ask people who have both these questions.

And she's a great communicator. So I became fascinated in this question of how does this happen? Because I focus on verbal. I'm a communications guy. I don't do experiments in the lab. I never did. After high school, I stopped really taking science. And so here you have someone in Dr. Wayne who has both. So I always ask people who have both these questions.

parts of their brain kind of firing at full power. How did this happen? And there, over the years, I have found that there are really two variables that often keep popping up. One of them is that they're the first in their family to go to college. And I can talk a little bit about that.

parts of their brain kind of firing at full power. How did this happen? And there, over the years, I have found that there are really two variables that often keep popping up. One of them is that they're the first in their family to go to college. And I can talk a little bit about that.