Mark Caputo

And it's a bit of through line through this.

I mean, as I said, tactically, it was smart for them to do it.

It's certainly tactically unsmart for her to have that out there and get busted for doing it.

So I think there's a little bit of both things at play.

It's sort of indicative of the broader way in which the Justice Department and the administration as a whole has handled the Epstein file disclosure, which is just, as I described it recently, it's just sort of constantly stepping on rakes.

And one of the things you'll see, whether it's a

campaign or an administration or a sports team they sometimes just get in these losing patterns where everything they do just causes sort of more loss and there winds up being no win and i think that's probably the best way to describe the entire sort of process away in which the epstein files have rolled out from the initial from the get-go before trump was even elected him saying in his

people on the surrogate saying on the campaign trail, yeah, we'll release the Epstein files.

Kash Patel, who becomes the FBI director was the one who was really sort of stoking conspiracies about this.

Then once he's no longer a podcaster and he's in a position of FBI authority, well then all of a sudden he's essentially got to refute everything he says.

Bonnie came out and, uh,

initially said, we're going to basically release all of this stuff.

And then they didn't.

And then they came out with a statement saying, oh, there's not much to see here.

Forget about it.

Then they got strong-armed by Congress.

It's just been one thing after another.

And then this is just the most recent example.

I've never seen a story sort of last this long that is a continuation of self-inflicted wounds, just one after another, after another.

Right, yeah.