Mark Dubowitz

I don't know.

But it is hard to believe they weren't discussing something.

And the fact that they had armed Hamas, financed Hamas and weaponized Hamas suggests to me that there is pretty overwhelming evidence that Iran has been at war with Israel for decades.

So your listeners, I know they're not going to do it because it's a lot of technical reading, but just go out and read IAEA reports dating back at least 20 years, and you'll see the IAEA meticulously, methodically, dispassionately outlining all of the violations of

that Iran has embarked on of the NPT.

Virtually all those are resolved later.

And many open files are still there.

I mean, just again, I just want your viewers to walk away from this conversation thing.

Okay, that's interesting.

I didn't know that.

And I'm going to go fact-check Mark and fact-check Scott and just kind of see what this is all about, right?

Because otherwise it's just...

He says, she says, or he says, he says.

The fact of the matter is that Iran has been in violations of its obligations under the NPT, under the additional protocol it never ratified, under its safeguards obligations under the NPT.

It suggests a pattern of nuclear mendacity.

If we're really lucky.

So here's some practical recommendations that I think the United States should follow.

I think the first is, you know, get the Iranians back to Oman, negotiate with them and do a deal.

Again, the deal has to be no enrichment, full dismantlement.

I think for the reasons we talked about today, Scott and I passionately disagreed, but that's fine.