Mark Dubowitz

Hezbollah's nothing without Iran.

We'll just have Scott and I fighting.

That'll be the last remaining two.

That's a fun kind of fight.

That'll be fun.

So, look, I love the vision that Scott painted.

And I agree with some of the libertarian instincts that he has.

But my view is that America is the indispensable power.

Scott mentioned earlier in the conversation about the rules-based order that is so important and the NPT and all these rules-based agreements that are important to maintain.

Well, the rules-based order has been maintained by the United States since World War II, right?

There is no American prosperity there.

to the degree that we have.

There's no recovery of Europe.

There's no recovery of Asia after the devastation of World War II without American power and the rules-based order that America has led and backstopped.

And I think America first...

is about american power and deterrence i think if you want to avoid war i think you cannot just believe in some fantasy where all the world's leaders are going to get together in some place and are just going to agree to disarm all their nuclear weapons and we'll disarm our entire military and we'll have one submarine off our coast and some all of that is going to lead to peace i mean i think what has led to peace in the past has been the

American forward deterrence of our military and a belief that our enemies think we will credibly use it.

I think if they believe we'll credibly use it, then it's less likely they will challenge us.

And if they're less likely to challenge us and challenge our allies, there's less likely to be war.

So for me, deterrence leads to peace.