Mark Dubowitz

Yeah, there's a 9-11 report by the 9-11 Commission.

There's a 9-11 commission report.

People can Google it, which talks about the cooperation between Iran and al-Qaeda.

Only in Bosnia when they were doing a favor for Bill Clinton.

Beyond that, and CIA released thousands of pages of classified material that they declassified showing the relationship between Iran and al-Qaeda.

The U.S.

Treasury Department under Obama and under Trump.

actually designated a number of Iranian individuals for facilitating al-Qaeda.

So anyway, I mean, these are important facts.

The greatest era that we've made in the Middle East is this notion, not the greatest, but one of the greatest, is this sort of conceptual era that somehow Sunnis and Shiites don't work together and Iran doesn't work without Haida.

I'm not saying you say that, but many people think that.

And of course they do work.

They hate each other.

But of course they work together because they hate us more.

But can I just say something, Lex?

Because I actually think just stepping back from like all of this detail.

The more we start to zoom out now, the better.

Yeah, I'd like to zoom out a little bit.

Look, I think the lessons for me over 22 years on working on these issues is one must learn about the mistakes that we've made in Iraq and in Afghanistan and Libya.

One must learn about the mistakes that we made in Vietnam, mistakes that we made in World War II.