Mark Dunkelman

And also the people who are, you know, who would be considered our base but simply don't come out to vote from election to election, that they need to believe that when they're casting a ballot for a Democrat, that that Democrat is going to be able to effectuate a change that is meaningful.

So the first book I always recommend to anyone is Liza Beth Cohen's Making a New Deal, which I think is the greatest pure book of history that I've ever read.

The second book, which I hope people will pick up, is Yoni Applebaum's Stuck, which gets to a lot of these issues.

explicitly in the realm of housing.

He talks about how a lack of geographic mobility, for many of the reasons that we have here, has really been the hindrance to socioeconomic mobility.

It's a great book.

And then the third, to the degree my book is in conversation with Robert Caro's The Power Broker, I think that that book was indicative of a way that progressivism used to work.

And people too often ascribe it to Moses the man,

who was enormously powerful and influential in New York.

But there's a book by Mark Reisman called Cadillac Desert, which essentially traces the same arc with a guy named Floyd Dominey running the Bureau of Reclamation and building dams all across the West.

And it is the same core story, but in an entirely different realm of public policy.

And I would love for listeners to the podcast just to understand the broader arc that I try to articulate in my book.

but of how progressivism has changed and how our ideas about how to drive progress have evolved.