Mark Epstein

My pleasure.

Well, that doesn't seem to be a question anymore.

It was not a suicide.

If you go back in time, when Jeffrey was first autopsied the day after they found his body, the initial death certificate said, under cause of death, pending further study.

They wouldn't call it a suicide or a homicide at that point in time.

But both of the pathologists that were there at the autopsy, Dr. Kristen Roman, who was a city pathologist whose autopsy it was, and Michael Barton, who was there on my behalf, they came out of the autopsy saying that they couldn't call it a suicide because it looked too much like a homicide.

That's what they said.

I was there.

They were talking to me.

that doesn't appear in the government report, okay?

It said pending further study.

When I've spoken to a number of pathologists, they've always told me that if a death certificate says pending further study, you don't get an answer usually for weeks or so because something's being investigated, some studying's being done.

That wasn't done here.

They never investigated Jeffrey's death as anything other than a suicide, as they called it,

Because, you know, the attorney, Bill Barr, the attorney general at the time, came out and said that he personally watched the videotape from outside of the tier, because we know the camera in the tier was not working or was not recording.

That story has changed.

He personally saw the videotape, and he saw that nobody went in or out of the tier, and that convinced him it was a suicide.

And when I heard that, I realized this is a cover-up of some kind, because number one, I thought, why is the Attorney General personally watching the videotape?

That doesn't seem realistic.

And also, he completely ignored the possibility that if Jeffrey was killed, he could have been killed by somebody that was already on the tier.