Mark Finnell

Because you look at the twists and turns of it.

This one is wild.

What were the ramifications of it, out of curiosity?

Matt, in those seven years of listening, was there anything consequential that we're aware of that they got, information-wise?

Matthew Bevan, thank you so much for taking us through this very strange bit of history.

You are so welcome, Mark.

And indeed, speaking of If You're Listening, Matt Bevan is both the host of the podcast, If You're Listening, and behind a brand new book called If You're Listening Declassified.

It is out now.

This episode was produced by Zoe Ferguson.

The sound design was by Angie Grant.

And of course, it was made on Gadigal land in Sydney, Australia for ABC Radio National.

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