Mark Follman

It's a recurring problem. And it's, I think, a problem that probably most, if not everyone, would agree we want to be zero. And it may never be zero, but let's make it less and less. So I think to your point, the idea that we would devote resources to it is defensible. Certainly we pour a shit ton of resources into reactive measures, which arguably are not effective at all.

It's a recurring problem. And it's, I think, a problem that probably most, if not everyone, would agree we want to be zero. And it may never be zero, but let's make it less and less. So I think to your point, the idea that we would devote resources to it is defensible. Certainly we pour a shit ton of resources into reactive measures, which arguably are not effective at all.

The drills and target hardening and more cops and more guns in schools and all these things. And I want to say too, those are not mutually exclusive. I think that prevention is a broad-based issue and that in some ways, all of these solutions or policy ideas should be on the table in combination.

The drills and target hardening and more cops and more guns in schools and all these things. And I want to say too, those are not mutually exclusive. I think that prevention is a broad-based issue and that in some ways, all of these solutions or policy ideas should be on the table in combination.

The drills and target hardening and more cops and more guns in schools and all these things. And I want to say too, those are not mutually exclusive. I think that prevention is a broad-based issue and that in some ways, all of these solutions or policy ideas should be on the table in combination.

But my point is, as a country, we emphasize all that stuff, make the school into more of a citadel that you can't penetrate with bulletproof windows and locks on every door and guards at the door and metal detectors. And now let's teach all the kids what to do when a shooter comes in and traumatize them and all that stuff. But no one's thinking enough about prevention.

But my point is, as a country, we emphasize all that stuff, make the school into more of a citadel that you can't penetrate with bulletproof windows and locks on every door and guards at the door and metal detectors. And now let's teach all the kids what to do when a shooter comes in and traumatize them and all that stuff. But no one's thinking enough about prevention.

But my point is, as a country, we emphasize all that stuff, make the school into more of a citadel that you can't penetrate with bulletproof windows and locks on every door and guards at the door and metal detectors. And now let's teach all the kids what to do when a shooter comes in and traumatize them and all that stuff. But no one's thinking enough about prevention.

I don't want to be dismissive of physical security. Physical security is important on a fundamental level. And so those are serious and significant concerns. But I think that the attention on that and the way that it is treated as an emotional response to show a community, okay, we're doing something about this. We're going to make it much harder. It's a really important question.

I don't want to be dismissive of physical security. Physical security is important on a fundamental level. And so those are serious and significant concerns. But I think that the attention on that and the way that it is treated as an emotional response to show a community, okay, we're doing something about this. We're going to make it much harder. It's a really important question.

I don't want to be dismissive of physical security. Physical security is important on a fundamental level. And so those are serious and significant concerns. But I think that the attention on that and the way that it is treated as an emotional response to show a community, okay, we're doing something about this. We're going to make it much harder. It's a really important question.

Like, does this actually work? Is it effective? And in a basic sense, we can look at this issue over the past two decades. Let's peg it to Columbine when school shootings are on the radar at a whole next level and the issue of school mass shootings is beginning to escalate.

Like, does this actually work? Is it effective? And in a basic sense, we can look at this issue over the past two decades. Let's peg it to Columbine when school shootings are on the radar at a whole next level and the issue of school mass shootings is beginning to escalate.

Like, does this actually work? Is it effective? And in a basic sense, we can look at this issue over the past two decades. Let's peg it to Columbine when school shootings are on the radar at a whole next level and the issue of school mass shootings is beginning to escalate.

We've had more of these in the last two decades with a lot of physical security and target hardening going on, a lot of investment in that stuff. So does it stop this from happening? I think the answer clearly is no. In a broad sense, there may be specific cases where it has come into play and been effective.

We've had more of these in the last two decades with a lot of physical security and target hardening going on, a lot of investment in that stuff. So does it stop this from happening? I think the answer clearly is no. In a broad sense, there may be specific cases where it has come into play and been effective.

We've had more of these in the last two decades with a lot of physical security and target hardening going on, a lot of investment in that stuff. So does it stop this from happening? I think the answer clearly is no. In a broad sense, there may be specific cases where it has come into play and been effective.

I think some recent shootings, and if I'm remembering correctly, the one in Georgia last year, there's been some suggestion that, oh, because they had locks on the doors and locked down quickly and people knew what to do, fewer people were injured and killed. And that may be the case. I think that's hard to prove, right? But to me, the question is, okay, is that a success story?

I think some recent shootings, and if I'm remembering correctly, the one in Georgia last year, there's been some suggestion that, oh, because they had locks on the doors and locked down quickly and people knew what to do, fewer people were injured and killed. And that may be the case. I think that's hard to prove, right? But to me, the question is, okay, is that a success story?

I think some recent shootings, and if I'm remembering correctly, the one in Georgia last year, there's been some suggestion that, oh, because they had locks on the doors and locked down quickly and people knew what to do, fewer people were injured and killed. And that may be the case. I think that's hard to prove, right? But to me, the question is, okay, is that a success story?