Mark Follman
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Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because this is another area of mythology, big mythology with the problem that, oh, bullying is what causes all these school shootings. Also fundamentally wrong. There are cases where bullying is significant and Elliot Rodgers is one of them. There are others. I think the recent case in Georgia had a significant amount of that too.
Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because this is another area of mythology, big mythology with the problem that, oh, bullying is what causes all these school shootings. Also fundamentally wrong. There are cases where bullying is significant and Elliot Rodgers is one of them. There are others. I think the recent case in Georgia had a significant amount of that too.
Yeah, I'm glad you asked that because this is another area of mythology, big mythology with the problem that, oh, bullying is what causes all these school shootings. Also fundamentally wrong. There are cases where bullying is significant and Elliot Rodgers is one of them. There are others. I think the recent case in Georgia had a significant amount of that too.
I don't know that case as well, but it's there. But again, the way we've been talking about all of these factors, it's the same thing in the sense that, you know, you may have serious mental health issues involved in the case. You may have this circumstance or that circumstance, including bullying. That is not fundamentally the cause.
I don't know that case as well, but it's there. But again, the way we've been talking about all of these factors, it's the same thing in the sense that, you know, you may have serious mental health issues involved in the case. You may have this circumstance or that circumstance, including bullying. That is not fundamentally the cause.
I don't know that case as well, but it's there. But again, the way we've been talking about all of these factors, it's the same thing in the sense that, you know, you may have serious mental health issues involved in the case. You may have this circumstance or that circumstance, including bullying. That is not fundamentally the cause.
And again, you can look at it from the same kind of opposite perspective or zoomed out perspective, like millions of kids experience bullying. But there are very few that are school shooters. So that tells you nothing in and of itself.
And again, you can look at it from the same kind of opposite perspective or zoomed out perspective, like millions of kids experience bullying. But there are very few that are school shooters. So that tells you nothing in and of itself.
And again, you can look at it from the same kind of opposite perspective or zoomed out perspective, like millions of kids experience bullying. But there are very few that are school shooters. So that tells you nothing in and of itself.
That said, if you have a person who is spiraling into crisis, going down this pathway to violence, thinking about violence, starting to plan it, and they're experiencing bullying, that's not going to help. That could be exacerbating it. And that may become their grievance.
That said, if you have a person who is spiraling into crisis, going down this pathway to violence, thinking about violence, starting to plan it, and they're experiencing bullying, that's not going to help. That could be exacerbating it. And that may become their grievance.
That said, if you have a person who is spiraling into crisis, going down this pathway to violence, thinking about violence, starting to plan it, and they're experiencing bullying, that's not going to help. That could be exacerbating it. And that may become their grievance.
In Elliot Rodgers' case, his grievance was much more about being rejected by women as he perceived that no women ever paid any attention to him. And he developed this like kind of delusional loathing about them that became part of the basis for the whole incel narrative.
In Elliot Rodgers' case, his grievance was much more about being rejected by women as he perceived that no women ever paid any attention to him. And he developed this like kind of delusional loathing about them that became part of the basis for the whole incel narrative.
In Elliot Rodgers' case, his grievance was much more about being rejected by women as he perceived that no women ever paid any attention to him. And he developed this like kind of delusional loathing about them that became part of the basis for the whole incel narrative.
I think one other way to think about this from the perspective of threat assessment is that often a person who is going down this pathway, going through this process, they're looking for justification for what they're going to do because they've decided that this is my only solution.
I think one other way to think about this from the perspective of threat assessment is that often a person who is going down this pathway, going through this process, they're looking for justification for what they're going to do because they've decided that this is my only solution.
I think one other way to think about this from the perspective of threat assessment is that often a person who is going down this pathway, going through this process, they're looking for justification for what they're going to do because they've decided that this is my only solution.
I'm desperate, I don't wanna live anymore, everyone hates me, I hate everyone, whatever that sort of narrative is, well then how can I explain to myself that I'm going to take my own life and the lives of others? That's a very hard thing to do. Most people aren't gonna do that. To bring yourself to take your own life or to kill other people,
I'm desperate, I don't wanna live anymore, everyone hates me, I hate everyone, whatever that sort of narrative is, well then how can I explain to myself that I'm going to take my own life and the lives of others? That's a very hard thing to do. Most people aren't gonna do that. To bring yourself to take your own life or to kill other people,