Mark Gagnon

And it shows you the incentives that some of these people have that go against the populace.

Yes.

Now, let me say, him and Epstein were not boys.

That's probably too casual of a term to use.

But they corresponded and worked on a professional level in some capacity.

We're talking shop.

Yeah, I mean, but also I think about like if someone was talking about me and Epstein, you know what I mean?

I hope they'd be like, look, he was just a fan of his work, you know?

They weren't boys.

Yeah.

And I was a fan of his work, but there's also another little interesting ripple here.

New Zealand.

So in 2011, Peter Thiel was granted New Zealand citizenship after spending only 12 days in the country.

And it was really controversial when it was disclosed in 2017.

Now, some people have speculated, it has not been confirmed by Thiel, that this is his end of the world escape hatch.

That when everything goes to shit, he's going to New Zealand along with many other billionaires that have bunkers built there.

Wow, New Zealand.

Yeah.

And what do they film in New Zealand?

Lord of the Rings.