Mark Halperin

With that subtle introduction, ladies and gentlemen, Andrew Sullivan.

Andrew, thank you for being here.

I mean, I mean, it's true.

I can't speak.

There may be some great people like you in China or Vietnam that I don't read.

But in the English speaking world, you've just you've done you've done so well for so long.

And it really I'm serious.

I thought about what I would talk to Andrew about in our limited time together.

And I could have pick and I could have picked a thousand things.

Yeah, but but but this is what I start with.

Donald Trump has changed the world.

He's changed America.

What would you say are the most profound ways in which he has changed America?

Not taking advantage of what he inherited or seeing an opening to do what he's done, but how has he changed us?

Yeah.

I would like to drill down all of them, but I'm going to focus first on the second one you mentioned, the coarsening of the use of the office to not just divide, but to denigrate people.

It's commonly said that Republican office holders accept that.

They pretend they didn't hear about it or they say it's not the words I would have chosen rather than condemn him.

They say they do that because they're afraid of him.

They're afraid of his movement.