Mark Halperin

What happened from 2020 to 2024 that allowed him to win again?

Because it really wasn't plausible.

And I take your point that

the republicans could have stopped him in the nomination fight but they didn't even come close no they didn't even come close and and and the reality is uh there was up until 2024 there was a majority who never wanted trump to be president again and and the democrats produced a majority who said yeah we'll take him back i know they did it because of immigration and because of inflation and because of cultural extremism and as you and i have talked about on your show and and the media

Yeah.

We're going to take a quick break.

When we come back, we're going to talk about the most en vogue topic around that Andrew mentioned already, which is the Epstein class.

Andrew Sullivan and the Epstein class are next up.

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