Mark Halperin

There's five indispensable substacks.

That's one of them.

And author of the great works, Virtually Normal and The Conservative Soul.

And as I said in my introduction to him originally, there's just

He's a singular force and to do what he's done, he's the Willie Mays of intellectual thought and writing.

and does it with a sense of humor.

Andrew, welcome again.

Thank you for being here.

You talked about the Epstein class.

And I'm not trying to make this argumentative or suggest I disagree with you or others on this, but I just want to try to put it in a little bit of historical context.

We've had rich elites helping rich elites in Britain and the United States forever, right?

You won't find an older story than this.

And we are now in a populist moment on the left and the right.

So I understand the heightened...

focus on rich people.

But what defines, leaving aside whether anybody committed crimes connected to Jeffrey Epstein, which so far there's been no clear evidence of, leaving aside that, what do people mean now when they say the Epstein class?

How is that defined that's distinctive from just rich people talk to each other and have a lot of benefits?

Maybe not.

Maybe not.

I mean, but there have been big industrialists who've come into the government before.