Mark Halperin

You let the receipts speak for themselves.

And I know exactly how Chris LaCivita or Caroline Levitt or anyone in MAGA or anyone with a brain, a fair-minded brain, I know how they're reading those.

They're reading them exactly the way I am, which is, this is shocking but not surprising.

This is par for the course.

Do you ever hear from the news organizations or the specific reporters whose work you are putting in sharp relief as being blatantly unfair?

And if so, do they say, well, yeah, that was unfair, or do they push back?

How do the people you critique, when you hear from them, how do they respond?

Joe Kahn runs the New York Times.

He's my college classmate.

I don't know him all that well, but he's not a crazy liberal.

He's a fair-minded guy.

And we've seen in some of his public comments that he's made, he doesn't talk often,

But a suggestion that he gets it, that The New York Times doesn't want to be liberally biased.

And yet it is it is because it's so powerful.

It is.

And because they are liberally biased so insidiously and so often, it is exhibit a almost always.

And and so two questions.

One is, let's say, Joe, here's this episode.

because we name checked him and the algorithm picks it up and his PR department says, you got to watch this.

And he says, I want that Drew Holden in here and I want him to address me and all the top editors here with the goal of stamping out the perception that we are liberally biased here.