Mark Hughes

You'd have to put him number one in that category.

Um,

Mateo Bonotto, I think, is very influential behind the scenes and a bit of a disruptor sometimes and can easily be underestimated.

And I think, yeah, for me, he'd be in the top three.

Do you get 25 points for a win?

Yeah, I think getting everyone to pull in the same direction because none of these teams lack talent.

They've all got masses of talent in them, but they're all very individualistic people in the main.

And so getting them all to pull in the same direction is absolutely key.

Getting a team firing on all cylinders and that's what the inspiration and discipline, I suppose, of a good team principle.

It has to leak down.

through all the departments and it has to be the same and you have to make sure there's no silos between each department and you have to be very alert to that happening because all those heads of department are very ambitious people themselves usually and so you know they want to be seen to be doing a good job and sometimes that's at the expense of another department that's something that the team

An ideal team leader needs to be very on top of.

For me, Toto is extremely good at that.

We talked to Toto Wolff again.

He's always talked about the no-blame culture.

He was the one that popularised that in the Formula One paddock.

No.

It's not personalising.

It's making it not personal.

It's making it, you know, let's attack the problem.