Mark Mazzetti
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345 appearances
5 recordings
2 series
first heard Mar 2026
last heard 24 Jun
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Right.
But the fact that this is all being discussed now, that there's these real questions of, you know, might the United States actually condition aid or pull aid?
Like, we are in uncharted territory in the sense that just a few months ago, we were talking about this close U.S.-Israel partnership on the Iran war.
And Natalie, let me just add that we talked about Netanyahu always sort of saying his great superpower was his knowledge of American politics and his ability to play American politics.
And so it's sort of a great irony here that the legacy ultimately might be driving a bipartisan consensus between Democrats and Republicans against Israel.
Right.
And sort of driving this relationship ultimately into the ditch by the guy who said he always knew more about American politics than anyone else in Israel.
Something that Netanyahu for decades has been trying to get an American president, any American president to do would be to attack Iran.
And he gets this moment and he gets this opportunity.
And this is where it ends up.
I think in the short term, things can survive in terms of the aid continuing, fences can be mended, things can appear on the surface to be basically normal.
However...
I do think that there is this fundamental shift in American opinion that has played out over time, but it's been particularly acute in the last two and a half, three years.
Since October 7th, the Gaza war, two Iran wars, the war in Lebanon.
There's this view, especially among younger people, but not entirely among younger people, who associate Israel with Netanyahu.
And they don't see the benefits of America's alliance with Israel.
In fact, they see more negative.
And that is a political shift that it's hard to see reversing, given where American politics are going, where not only the Democrats, but the Republican Party is going.
And so this, I think, sort of reflects what Ronan is talking about, the fear in Israel, even if it hasn't sort of sunk in yet in Israel, that they're losing America.
And I think that's a very real phenomenon.
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