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Mark Moyar

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Yeah, and he was certainly trying to put a positive spin.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And, you know, he initially is going to be a candidate in 1968 for the presidency.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so he will bring General Westmoreland back to kind of give pep talks and say how things are going well, you know, rather than saying it himself.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

But this is partly to assure people that

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

In fact, things are going okay.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Then you get to the Tet Offensive in 1968, which seems to contradict that.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

What happened?

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So in early 1967, the North Vietnamese, they keep losing battle after battle.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so they at first think things are going well.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

In early 1967, they finally figure out

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

that they're taking crippling losses and that their own commanders in the South were kind of deceiving them about how things were going because they didn't want to lose face.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So they were always claiming they killed all these American South Vietnamese.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Somebody finally did the math and said, well, wait, the Americans and South Vietnamese are getting stronger, even though you claim you did.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So they finally kind of figured out we got to come up with a new game plan.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Since fighting in the remote areas of South Vietnam is not working, what they're going to do is target the cities of South Vietnam, which they've largely left alone, and these are controlled by the government.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Their thinking is that if we go in there, the people there are going to rise up because they hate the South Vietnamese and American capitalists, and they think it's going to be kind of like in 1945 when they go into Hanoi.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

They attack.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

They decide to attack during the Tet holiday, which is the biggest holiday of the year, violating a ceasefire.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So they have the element of surprise.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

But turns out the people are not ready to rise up.