Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong — Historian Mark Moyar

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What historical context is essential to understand the Vietnam War?

Konstantin Kisin 0:00
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Mark Moyar 0:50
One of the central controversies of the war just was it something that could have been won or not. And a lot of historians, especially on the left, will say, no, this was, you could never have won it. Yes, I mean, the Americans have air power, artillery. The North Indians don't have these things. And so it is very one side. In fact, that will be the general pattern. So they take crippling losses at the hands of American and South Vietnamese forces. They commit some terrible strategic blunders. This was not a foregone conclusion that it was gonna end the way it did. Hollywood's dramatizing things. It is, yes.
Konstantin Kisin 1:25
Wow.
Mark Moyar 1:26
Yes. Hollywood hasn't done a very good job on Vietnam. There's still, I think, a pretty strong feeling among the troops that this is something worth fighting for. There is also this growing realization that the politicians are tying our hands behind our back. We either need to fight this war hard or we need to get out.
Konstantin Kisin 1:48
at hillsdale.edu. Mark, welcome to Trigonometry. Great to be with you. Great to have you on. We're going to talk about the Vietnam War. And as we discussed before we started, both the two of us and quite a lot of people watching this might not know very much about that war, but we feel like some of the conversations that have been happening in American society lately, there seems to be some connection with the things that happened, the conclusions that were made at that time, the impact on the collective psyche of this country. So tell us what happened. What was the Vietnam War? How did it happen? When did it happen? Why did it happen?
Mark Moyar 2:36
That's a great question. And I think if you want to understand the roots of this war, you have to go back at least to 1949. And that's when the Chinese communists won the Chinese Civil War, which is... an aspect of our history that most people really don't know very well. But it's one of the most important events of the 20th century. And up until that time, you had the Truman administration, a lot of other people claiming that communism isn't really a big deal in Asia. We shouldn't be too worried about it. And for a while, a lot of people thought Mao was just this nice sort of nationalist who said he was going to be democratic. Finally, when he takes over, suddenly reality sets in that these communists are actually pretty bad folks who are going to kill lots of people and try to take over the world.
Mark Moyar 3:22
And so you see then in 1950, the U.S.

What were the main reasons behind U.S. involvement in Vietnam?

Mark Moyar 3:26
starts aiding the French in Indochina, Vietnam, and then U.S. also goes into Korea to fight the Korean War. war and so a lot of people second guessing kind of forget about these underlying sources but i think it's you've got to fundamentally understand that there's a war against communism and this is an ideology that killed 100 million people in the 20th century which again relevant today because you now have young people who don't really know the history saying, oh, socialism, communism are really not that big a deal. But Vietnam clearly is aimed at preventing the spread of communism and particularly Chinese-led communism in Southeast Asia. And so when the French War ends in 1954, and the french just decide they're sick of this the united states decides it's going to help a new government in south vietnam as part of the effort to contain communism because what almost all the americans at this time thought was that this so-called domino theory meant that if you lose a place like south vietnam the other countries in the region are going to fall and that will be actually the guiding principle for for most of the war

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