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Mark Moyar

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But it's one of the most important events of the 20th century.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And up until that time, you had the Truman administration, a lot of other people claiming that communism isn't really a big deal in Asia.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

We shouldn't be too worried about it.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And for a while, a lot of people thought Mao was just this nice sort of nationalist who said he was going to be democratic.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Finally, when he takes over, suddenly reality sets in that these communists are actually pretty bad folks who are going to kill lots of people and try to take over the world.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so you see then in 1950, the U.S.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

starts aiding the French in Indochina, Vietnam, and then U.S.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

also goes into Korea to fight the Korean War.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

war and so a lot of people second guessing kind of forget about these underlying sources but i think it's you've got to fundamentally understand that there's a war against communism and this is an ideology that killed 100 million people in the 20th century which again

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

relevant today because you now have young people who don't really know the history saying, oh, socialism, communism are really not that big a deal.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But Vietnam clearly is aimed at preventing the spread of communism and particularly Chinese-led communism in Southeast Asia.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so when the French War ends in 1954,

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

and the french just decide they're sick of this the united states decides it's going to help a new government in south vietnam as part of the effort to contain communism because what almost all the americans at this time thought was that this so-called domino theory meant that if you lose a place like south vietnam the other countries in the region are going to fall and that will be actually the guiding principle for for most of the war

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Mm hmm.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Yes.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And, you know, initially, the United States was not very keen on this French effort because it was in Roosevelt and then Truman kind of thought European colonialism is kind of passe and we're not going to support it.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But then when they saw this communist threat, they agreed to help the French.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And the French also made promises to the Vietnamese that they could have

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

a greater degree of independence.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

It's also interesting when you get to 1954 and the French are surrounded at Dien Bien Phu, they come to the Americans and say, can you bomb the communists who have surrounded us?