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Mark Moyar

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

When the US goes into Vietnam, there's actually very little protest.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Again, this is one of those areas where it's worth keeping in mind the chronology.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

The protests don't start until 1967, and it coincides exactly with the reduction of draft deferments for students, for college students.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so suddenly, and I'm not the first person to say it, but I think it's true that a lot of this opposition is driven by the fact that

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

when you tell some students, these college students didn't care that much about the war until they said, well, we're going to send you there.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And now some of them don't want to go.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And if you look in the nation's history, it's almost always the case that the manly thing, the civic thing to do is to go when your country calls you.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So if you're going to not go and not answer the country's call, you have to come up with a reason.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so the reason is this was a terrible war and we never should have fought it.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And again, I think much of this is for self-serving reasons.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

And if you actually look into the facts of the war, they don't bear those things out.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Well, I think there's certainly cases of that.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Now, it is interesting.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

The polls that have been done, Vietnam veterans, there was a survey done a few years after the war.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

It's about 90 percent of them say they were actually proud of their service.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Now, most of those people also said the problem was that we tied our hands behind our back.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

So, again, they weren't that they didn't have gripes, but it was about how it was fought.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

Now.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

The question of psychological damage is an interesting one, too, because you have

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong β€” Historian Mark Moyar

the rise of certain psychiatrists who are arguing that there is some unique mental illness and we're going to call ptsd that's coming out of vietnam uh i think that's mostly been debunked in just in that if you look at any war there are people with these same problems coming back probably a little bit worse given that when people came home they weren't greeted as heroes yeah i would say that but um