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Mark Moyar

๐Ÿ‘ค Speaker
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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But Kennedy listens to his civilian State Department, and they decide to negotiate neutralization, which means North Vietnamese are supposed to leave and the Americans.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But the North Vietnamese, being good communists, violate the agreement, and they keep going in.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And so you have an unending supply of equipment and manpower.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

So the North Vietnamese will take very heavy losses, but they can keep sending stuff down

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

through the Ho Chi Minh Trail and keep things up indefinitely.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Well, and this is also a point of a lot of debate.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

General Westmoreland, who's the commander at the time, argues that the American forces should concentrate on what he calls search and destroy.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

So go look for big enemy units, no matter where they are, even if they're in the furthest reaches of the country, in the mountains and jungles.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And the South Vietnamese, our partners, they will focus on securing the villages and towns where most of the people live.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And this does have the advantage of keeping Americans, for the most part, away from the population because Americans don't speak Vietnamese.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

They don't understand the customs.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

One of the problems is the Vietnamese government this time is in disarray, so they're not very good at this kind of stuff.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

But the Americans, the search and destroy is also a very interesting topic because most of these operations, they don't find the enemy.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

So a lot of people say, well, this was...

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

of wasteful but we now know especially from looking at the north vietnamese side that uh for one thing they still inflict very heavy losses on the north vietnamese uh because sometimes they do catch them and that this really keeps the north vietnamese off balance and if you were just to let the north vietnamese run free

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

they would be able to mount massive attacks, you know, concentrate in overwhelming numbers at a city or a base.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And when they are able to do that, the only way you stop them is destroy the city, essentially, which occasionally happens, but for the most part doesn't.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

That's correct.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

Yes.

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Everything You Think You Know About Vietnam Is Wrong โ€” Historian Mark Moyar

And in the early years, China is the main partner.