Mark Ogden

And yet, three minutes later, or less than that, I think, Kunio scores the winner.

I mean, was that response to that moment, was that something that just wouldn't have happened under Ruben Amaru?

Yeah, from what I'm told about his time with England in particular, that players would sort of say they always knew where they stood.

They might not have liked it, they might not have agreed with it, but they always knew where they stood.

And there was a clarity of message, which I think is really important.

I know that Steve used to ring a lot of the players on behalf of Gareth around the squad announcements and maybe explain some of the reasoning behind some of the players who weren't in or some of the players who were.

I think he's a very forthright and clear communicator.

And when you've got that pedigree, as you say, to sort of back that up, I think that's brought... I think you saw it, really.

That was a bit like a United of old...

kind of mature, almost a European away type performance.

I know, you know, you'd sort of associate that with like a 1-0 win or whatever, but I mean, just the maturity they showed compared with Arsenal, who really didn't manage that game very well at any point, you sort of thought that there's a brain's trust behind that.

And that's, you know, credit to the coaching staff and the work that they've done in the week.

To that point though, Rob,

might be disappointed it was also interesting that we talked about this before the game that just the summer of strikers with Benjamin Sesko and Victor Yocarez neither of them started that game I wonder what odds you would have got in the summer when there was you know a lot of fanfare for both arrivals and you know

sliding doors moments, each could have joined the other club.

Both were interested in those two players at one time or another, and yet you fast forward to the end of January, massive game for both sides, and Cesco gets whatever it was, a few minutes at the end.

Jokka has got half an hour and just looked well short again.

You know, we talk about planning and long-term strategies and backing managers and all these sort of things.

But I mean, those two deals just, you know, it's just not worked out so far, have they?

And it's interesting now actually that Arteta, he gets asked about him in every single press conference, whether he's playing or not.