Mark Ogden

Yeah.

But it's noticeable that he's now started explaining the situation sort of in terms beyond what Jokeres is doing.

So for example, he started talking about the quality of centre-backs in the Premier League, how good they are.

And now the most recent one is you started talking about how difficult, to your point, about number nines in general and whether that role is actually changing a little bit.

And we're not expecting a number nine to go and score 25, 30 goals a season, what they've actually got to do off the ball and then their link-up play and what we ask of that nine.

and what they can do to bring others into play is actually starting to redefine how we should judge those strikers.

It's starting to get a little bit sort of word salad almost of trying to explain why their big number nine signing is not working out.

No, even if they get in the Champions League.

I just think that... And I like Michael Carrick.

He seems like a nice guy.

I don't know him personally, but I've covered him a bit when he was playing for England, but...

I just think they've got to be aiming higher.

Michael Carrick, as good as... I know this feels counterintuitive, speaking shortly after they've just beaten Arsenal and City, but he's not going to bring the good times back long term.

He might give you that feel-good factor for a while.

But I think this summer is going to be such a pivotal summer for so many clubs because there's going to be so many managers, top managers available.

And if United were to just miss out on that carousel again, I think they'd be looking at it come Christmas time thinking, yeah, we weren't brave enough here.

And they only need to look at their own recent history and

to find the warnings of being duped like this.

They haven't tried everything.

They haven't tried everything.