Mark Organ

I think in the model, he has something like two and a half million dollars worth.

Yeah, it's not part of the option pool.

It's not options.

They're buying shares.

Okay.

They're buying common shares.

Yeah, but the VCs are happy to do it.

Well, it also strengthens the company.

And that's really what happened, too, at Eloqua when the employees bought all the stock.

was they really were owners at that point.

And so it built a very strong and resilient culture.

So I think smart VCs are always really happy when employees own more of the company, especially if they're paying for it.

The big difference between getting awarded a bunch of options...

that have an expiration that they have to be redeemed within three months after leaving.

I mean, those are much more ephemeral.

Whereas, no, these guys are card-carrying shareholders.

They're going to show up to the annual shareholders' meeting.

Um, and they're on the same playing field as, you know, all, all other, um, all other investors.

Beautiful.

That's it?