Mark Rivers

And you're going to do what you always do.

And at a certain point, I just wanted to say, say something specific, please.

Say something direct.

Stop with the metaphors.

At one point, I think Anne Hathaway's character says these metaphors are getting exhausting.

And I'm like, just because you're calling attention to the problem without solving it, it's still a problem, even if you're calling attention to this problem.

The tagline said it's not a ghost story.

I think there is sort of – there's kind of an exorcism story going on here.

But I didn't know what the film was exorcising.

I didn't know, and by the end, I didn't really care.

There's an interesting racial dynamic there.

Potentially, at least.

I also thought about Black Swan when watching this.

I thought about Under the Skin.

And I even thought about Beyonce's Lemonade, you know, as far as like this kind of probing of the star, this probing of this person, right?

And I feel like with Lemonade in particular, that work of art was reckoning with a variety of things.

It was reckoning with, you know, the traumas of generations of Black women.

It was reckoning with the

anger of a wronged woman.

It was reckoning with a trifling-ass husband.