Mark Rober

And it's really hard until it's not.

And then it just all pours out really quickly, right?

But no, I think the opposite is true where it's like if I'm writing a thing or trying to solve a problem, it's like it's always on repeat and just in the back of my brain.

Like we could be having this conversation and I could have like –

Not a breakthrough, but it's like, oh, I'm going to try that as soon as I get home.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, you are right.

It's my favorite chore.

Sometimes.

You say, hey, I'm not going to turn on the radio because... When I'm being good.

Well, it's like the case for boredom, right?

Yeah.

Like, I feel like raising kids is like, I want to get, like, two presents for Christmas.

And, like, the goal is to be bored every day.

Like, that's where the creativity—I think that's a whole movement towards that now, right?

Again, it's the opposite to all of these inputs.

Like, cut those off, and then what happens?

Yeah, yeah.

Yeah, I mean, I think this is the argument that we are becoming cyborgs.

The fact, like, how many phone numbers you have memorized now.