Mark Rober

And then normalizing, I acclimated to losing.

And it was like, oh, wait, I'm back to loving this.

And I don't attach these negative feelings to it because I won because I lost 10 times.

Have you looked at rejection therapy?

Uh, no, but it's basically this thing, right?

But like going back to just like making stuff, like I would imagine we've evolved to be digging in the dirt and to be building and to be working with our hands, right?

And I do feel like there's probably some part of that, you know, this is me being an armchair expert here, but like the record levels of depression may have to do with just like all these inputs that are so attractive that just let us sitting in a chair as opposed to like –

Yeah.

And it's also like,

It's crazy how hard it is to not think thoughts.

Like, you know, in meditation, I've dabbled in a little bit.

My partner's like really big in it and I've been doing it more, but it's amazing how much I suck at it.

You know, just like going to the gym for the first time.

It's like, wow, I am not conditioned to do this.

It's wild how hard it is to not think and to clear your mind.

Right.

And just like focus on the breathing.

I find it.

I mean, there's something about like hitting flow state, especially for writing.

I still write all my own videos.