Mark Rober

So it's, like, the first one's a desktop robot that's, you know, you could control with a little remote, but then we encourage people to go in and, like, tweak the code and make it really easy.

You don't have to.

It'll work out of the box, but we want to, like, just make the next step that much easier.

Hmm.

So if you've always wanted to learn to code but never have, we'll hold your hand with Hackpack.

It's gonna be super fun and you're gonna grow and learn.

And then hopefully you take that and do that to other parts in your life.

Yeah, that is cool.

Which is all inputs, right?

I feel like we are drowning inputs and sort of starved for outputs.

Agreed.

Right?

Actually doing something with our own hands.

That time is now just like...

passively feed my brain, and you can only learn so much.

I did one version of that where it's like, I love chess and I found I wasn't playing chess because going back to internalizing failure, I felt like if I lost, that means something about me.

So I made a goal of like, I am going to play chess, but my goal, I'm going to try and win, but my real goal is to lose 10 times.

Right.

And I'm not going to feel like I checked that box until I've lost 10 games.

And it really flipped it for me.