Mark Rober

Like, what happened, right?

Yes.

That's not the point.

The end of the punchline of their story is not the point.

Your undivided attention and showing that they matter, that's the point.

So if someone's feeling stuck and not excited, not creative, what is the one thing in your life, even if it's super small, that even gets you a little bit excited?

Maybe it's you love flowers and gardening.

Like, or you, I shouldn't say love.

Maybe you kind of like it and it's kind of even slightly interesting to you, right?

Lean into that, going back to like crossing the river, but start small and then go from there, treating it as an opportunity to learn and to get better and to optimize.

If you ever played Zelda, if you ever played any game, if you've ever gone on to accomplish something great,

just remember what that was like.

It started small and you most likely were excited about the process.

So what can you do to hide the vegetables for yourself?

And then it's exciting because you feel like you're getting better.

Failure has purpose, right?

You embrace the failure as the quickest way to get to something amazing.

But I will say with a caveat that it may look different than I thought it would look.

I just, I feel grateful to be here sitting across the table from you, Mel.

To have these values and these things that you care about to like share it with a bunch of people is like, even if you're not sharing it with a bunch of people, just like to be able to move the needle in a way you think is beneficial for the world on any scale is incredible.