The Mel Robbins Podcast
The Life Experiment Theory: One Rule That Changes How You Do Everything
11 Dec 2025
Chapter 1: What is the main topic discussed in this episode?
Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. Okay, I just left the studio, and I am telling you, this conversation that I just had, oh my gosh, I cannot wait for you to hear this. People have told me that this guy that you're about to meet is sensational, but I'd never met him until today.
He blew me away and he's going to blow you away too with what he is about to teach you today. It is going to change the way that you think about failure, success, and how to live a happier and more creative life. My guest today is the one and only Mark Rober. He is the most watched science creator and educator on the planet with almost 72 million YouTube subscribers.
He's a former NASA and Apple engineer and the man behind some of the most legendary YouTube videos of all time. This guy is a genius. He has the brilliant brain of a scientist with this generous heart of a teacher. I just love him. Mark has spent his life turning failure into data, setbacks into experiments, and high-pressure work into play.
And he has synthesized every single thing that he has learned into a few simple tools and strategies and frameworks that he's going to teach you today. His personal framework rooted in engineering is going to help you achieve your goals, improve your habits, be happier, make better decisions, have more fun, and become more confident.
This is about thinking like an engineer, not to build rockets, but to build a better life. The Let Them Theory is the best gift you can give this holiday season. It's the gift you give to someone who's overwhelmed, to the people pleaser, to the friend who carries way too much, to the sibling who's exhausted from dealing with everyone else's emotions, to the coworker who needs a break.
It's meaningful, it's practical, it's hilarious, and it's life-changing. The Let Them Theory, for everyone on your list. Available at letthem.com and wherever books are sold.
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Hey, it's your friend Mel, and welcome to the Mel Robbins Podcast. I am so excited that you're here. It's such an honor to be together and to spend this time with you. If you're a new listener or you're here because somebody shared this episode with you, I just wanted to take a moment and personally welcome you to the Mel Robbins Podcast family.
I cannot tell you how excited I am about today's conversation and the simple tools and frameworks that will change the way you live. You're going to learn those from the one and only Mark Rober. Mark is the most popular science creator and educator on the planet. His YouTube channel has almost 72 million subscribers. Now, to put that into perspective,
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Chapter 2: How can treating life like an experiment change your perspective on failure?
What's this guy do? Tell me more about this guy. How would you describe what you do?
Yeah, so, you know, I'm a mechanical engineer. I got my bachelor's and master's in mechanical engineering. I worked at NASA for a decade working on the Curiosity rover.
Wait, the thing that went to Mars?
Yeah.
Wait, what did you do with that?
I was, I worked on the jet pack that lowers you to the ground and then some hardware on the top deck of the rover. So the arm digs in the dirt, dumps it into the belly of the rover and my hardware like accepted the sample.
That's so cool.
And it's still working to this day. So fingers crossed.
Wow. Okay. So you worked at NASA.
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Chapter 3: What is the Super Mario Effect and how does it relate to learning from failure?
Like, well, the facts are on my side, so I'm just going to state the facts. But if you don't emotionally connect with someone, maybe you want to pitch something to your boss, like this big idea, right? Maybe you want to apologize to your partner or your kid. Like if the emotion's not there, it doesn't cause that shift in the heart.
And we survived long before written to tell stories to each other. And so it's in our DNA to resonate with stories. And like, and I think this is very applicable for people's lives of just like, leaning into the story and the emotion of a thing just for interpersonal relationships. Like your apologies will be accepted faster and more earnestly.
You will find that you can, you know, pitch ideas to coworkers, even just like, where are we going to eat, right? You are more influential if you can remember that we are hardwired to tell stories.
So if you don't think you're a good storyteller or you're like a really shy person, Is there any advice that you have about how you can use this framework of thinking about the emotion? Or I love that thing that you said, to be remarkable, you have to have people remark about you.
And telling somebody a story or moving them emotionally or getting them excited about something is what makes people remark about you. So how could somebody think about storytelling? as a tool to use to prepare for anything, whether it's a date or it's a job interview or it's having a hard conversation or it's trying to go viral making your next video.
The biggest downside, especially as an engineer, I get this, is to focus on the facts. Let's say you're selling a thing. It's like, well, my processor has 20% more gigahertz. People don't care. It's a suspect sheet, right? Yep. They want to know how this will make them feel.
So I think part of it is like empathizing with the other person you're talking to and putting yourself in their shoes and understanding from their perspective what would feel meaningful to them.
You only do one video a month. When you are sitting down to think of the idea, Are there particular like check boxes that you go through? Because one of them has to be, what emotion are we evoking? What story are we telling? Like, is there a framework you use that helps you architect the type of experiment that you're going to do or how you're using kind of this, how do I evoke something?
How do I engineer a story that creates emotion for people?
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Chapter 4: How can you make your goals more enjoyable and achievable?
It'll take about three years total. We're about a year into it. And yeah, I just feel like teachers specifically, it's like, it's like such a, it's the most, I think, important profession and perhaps the most like underappreciated or under supported profession. So especially to these teachers who are like paying their own money for curriculum, it's like terrible.
So it's kind of like, hey, reinforcements are on the way. We got you. We're coming with this really cool thing. So that I think will be like the most important thing I do like my whole life. I'm really excited about it.
I can see how emotional it makes you.
Yeah, I'm really, really excited about that.
Why does this bring up so much for you?
Um, you know, I, myself am product of great teachers. My mom, um, she, she like passed away like six months before I even made my first YouTube video. Um, and she didn't even go to like, she barely graduated high school, but like she has had, she's had more impact on my life than anyone by a very comfortable margin.
Which honestly, I almost think is a beautiful thing where you like never really know the full measure of your life, like the impact that you have, regardless of what you believe about what happens when we die, right? I think we can all agree a successful life is one where you leave the world a better place than you found it, right? And the impact you have on others, you'll just never really know.
And I almost think it's beautiful that she had no idea that like, what happened just right after he passed away where I started getting all this reach. And now like I'm trying to reach as many brains as possible. And basically what she did for me and what other great teachers did for me, like that's what teachers are. They're seed planners.
So if we want to invest in the future of, you know, the world, um, There's big problems coming down the pipeline, Mel. This is an all brains on deck situation, right?
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Chapter 5: What frameworks can help you improve decision-making and happiness?
Stay with me. Hey, it's your friend Mel, and I just wanted to say thank you. Thank you for listening to a podcast that is helping you feel better and do better and create a better life. Thank you for being so generous with the episodes that make a difference and sharing them with friends and family.
I also wanted to say thank you because we have had an extraordinary year here at the Mel Robbins Podcast. Spotify and Apple have named us the third largest podcast in the world and the number one followed podcast on Apple. That's just extraordinary. One of our episodes is the number one shared episode on the planet this year of all podcasts.
And we have also received the extraordinary honor of being nominated for the first ever Golden Globe to be awarded for best podcast. I am truly humbled by the success of this show and by the impact that it is making in your life and in the lives of the people that you care about. That to me is the greatest win of all.
One episode at a time, you and I are learning, we're feeling better, we're doing better. And that's how you and I together have become a global force for good, creating positive change. Thank you.
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It's your buddy Mel Robbins. And today you and I are learning simple tools and frameworks that will change the way you live, make decisions, be happier from the incredible Mark Rober, the most popular science creator and educator in the world. Let's talk about failure.
Yeah.
Because you've built... your career on experiments. And at the very beginning, you said that there is a framework that you could teach us about failing and getting excited about failing. And I gotta be honest with you, I'm not excited about failing, Mark.
Yeah. So I think what I found over time is like, you know, it started the first time I noticed this was trying to make a dartboard where you get a bullseye every time where you could throw a dart. It would track the dart through the air. It would predict where it would land and then it would move the dartboard in 400 milliseconds.
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Chapter 6: How can storytelling enhance your ability to connect with others?
And that doesn't mean it doesn't sting, right? On level 8-1, there's this huge pit you have to jump over and land on this tiny little platform. It's really hard to do and you've made it all the way there and then you die and it stings, Mel. It still hurts. It's not this Pollyanna attitude of like, oh, well, everything's good.
And even the sound at the end when you die is like, oh.
Right. It's very sad, even the sound. But it stings. You're immediately like, what did I learn? Now I'm going to try this again because I now know one more way not to attempt that jump.
You know, in case you're not the kind of person that has ever played video games in your life, let me try to just explain why this is so relevant to life. When Mark talks about a level in a video game, this is basically a psychological gym that you're entering. So you start the game and you're entering a challenge.
You're going to fail and then you figure something out and then you try again and then you fail again and again and again. If you keep going, you eventually beat the level. And what's cool about the metaphor of a video game is that's resilience. That's what we need in life. Life is one big level and it's going to have setbacks, trial and error. You're going to get stuck.
There's going to be obstacles in your way. You're going to have unexpected enemies. And you either are going to get to a point where you're so frustrated you quit and throw your hands in the air or you keep playing. How... Do you use this when a lot of the failing that people need to do is in front of other people?
Or you might get negative feedback or people might comment on your video or you might look stupid at work. Do you see what I'm saying? So what would you say to the person that's like, okay, I can do that with a video game, but I still can't talk at work?
I think we overestimate the negative impact on failure and underestimate our ability to handle it when we're imagining towards the future of this failure thing. And I think it's a repetition thing. Like I get that. I hate public speaking and it's a goal of mine right now. It's one of my super Mario level things I'm working on.
And what I'm finding is just the more reps I do it, the more times I do it, you do normalize to it. So I think like I get that fear and I recognize that it is different when you're in front of other people. But it's one of those things that just like, you just, it's exposure therapy and fail small in front of small groups of people. And then you can eventually fail bigger and bigger.
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