Mark Rutte

Of course, I have a very close relationship with Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission.

So this is not something I'm dealing with every day, the Russian assets, but of course I follow it closely, and I thought, hey, this is a development, and this is probably a way to work around some of the legal problems to get access to the assets.

Yeah, I mean, in the end, what we need to achieve is for Ukraine to sustain in the fight and to be in the best possible position when peace talks would start.

That is weapons, that's money.

It is, of course, making sure that when it comes to the pressure on the Russians, that when it comes to sanctions and all that, it's also more on the EU side than NATO.

But I'm really impressed by what President von der Leyen is doing now, working with Secretary Besson to White House, but putting more pressure on the Chinese.

Of course, we have the discussion on cutting off the oil supply from Russia into Hungary, Turkey, Slovakia.

Not easy, but all working on it because we want to make sure that the Russians don't have access to either any of these sources of income.

By the way, the shadow fleet, also important.

So we're working on all that.

Sometimes NATO in the lead, sometimes the EU in the lead, and also in close conjunction with President Trump and his team.

The problem is, of course, that he, and I'm really commended for that, he broke the death lock with Putin.

He started to dialogue with him.

He had the meeting in Alaska testing him.

But somehow we have not been able yet to get them to the table.

And there should be a table not in Russia, but somewhere in the world where at least Zelensky and Putin are sitting down and discussing the difficult issues.

How to end the war.

And Zelensky is willing to do that.

Putin clearly is not.

And that means that we have to up the pressure on the Russians to make sure that he will come to the table.