Mark Rutte

And because of this crazy way of warfare, the Russians have decided to do.

Yes, I think I was reading that opinion piece.

I think it was on the FT website.

Refreshable competitor.

Yeah, sorry.

Next time he will no doubt publish it.

The Economist, or sorry, Bloomberg, no doubt.

But I think it is an important step.

I must say, in the division of labor between NATO and the EU, this is more being dealt with at the EU side.

Of course, I have a very close relationship with Ursula von der Leyen, the president of the European Commission.

So this is not something I'm dealing with every day, the Russian assets, but of course I follow it closely, and I thought, hey, this is a development, and this is probably a way to work around some of the legal problems to get access to the assets.

Yeah, I mean, in the end, what we need to achieve is for Ukraine to sustain in the fight and to be in the best possible position when peace talks would start.

That is weapons, that's money.

It is, of course, making sure that when it comes to the pressure on the Russians, that when it comes to sanctions and all that, it's also more on the EU side than NATO.

But I'm really impressed by what President von der Leyen is doing now, working with Secretary Besson to White House, but putting more pressure on the Chinese.

Of course, we have the discussion on cutting off the oil supply from Russia into Hungary, Turkey, Slovakia.

Not easy, but all working on it because we want to make sure that the Russians don't have access to either any of these sources of income.

By the way, the shadow fleet, also important.

So we're working on all that.

Sometimes NATO in the lead, sometimes the EU in the lead, and also in close conjunction with President Trump and his team.