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Mark Zuckerberg

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Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

I think a lot of people will basically use the off-the-shelf model.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

And some people who have basically bad faith are going to try to strip out all the bad stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

So I do think that that's an issue.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

The...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

The flip side of this is that, and this is one of the reasons why I'm kind of philosophically so pro-open source, is I do think that a concentration of AI in the future has the potential to be as dangerous as kind of it being widespread.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

So I think a lot of people, they think about the questions of, okay, well, if we can do this stuff, is it bad for it to be out wild, like just kind of widely available?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

I think another version of this is like, okay, well, it's probably also pretty bad for one institution to have an AI that is way more powerful than everyone else's AI, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

So if you look at like, I guess one security analogy that I think of is, you know, it doesn't take AI...

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

to basically, okay, there's security holes in so many different things.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

And if you could travel back in time a year or two years, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

It's like, that's not AI.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

It's like you just, let's say you just have like one year or two years more knowledge of the security holes.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

It's pretty much hack into like any system, right?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

So it's not that far fetched to believe,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

that a very intelligent AI would probably be able to identify some holes and basically be like a human who could potentially go back in time a year or two and compromise all these systems.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

Okay, so how have we dealt with that as a society?

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

Well,

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

One big part is open source software that makes it so that when improvements are made to the software, it doesn't just kind of get stuck in one company's products, but it can kind of be broadly deployed to a lot of different systems, whether it's banks or hospitals or government stuff.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

And like just everyone can kind of like as the software gets hardened.

Dwarkesh Podcast
Mark Zuckerberg - Llama 3, Open Sourcing $10b Models, & Caesar Augustus

which happens because more people can see it and more people can bang on it and there are standards on how this stuff works, the world can kind of get upgraded together pretty quickly.