Mark Zuckerberg

very seamlessly right it's like if i want to show you something here like here's a screen okay here it is i can show you can interact with it can be 3d um we can kind of play with it um you want to you know like play a card game or whatever it's like all right here's like a deck of cards we can play with it it's like two of us are here physically like you have a third friend who's just hologramming in right and they can they can kind of participate too um

But I think that in that world, people are gonna be, you know, just like you don't want your physical space to be cluttered.

It's sort of like a, you know, it just kind of has like a, it wears on you psychologically.

I don't think people are gonna want the digital kind of physical space to feel that way either.

So I don't know, that's more of an aesthetic and one of these norms that I think will have to get worked out.

But I think we'll figure that out.

I mean, I think it's like a real competition.

I mean, I think that you're seeing the industrial policies really play out where, yeah, I mean, I think China's bringing online more power.

And because of that, I think that the US really needs to focus on streamlining the ability to build data centers and build and produce energy, or I think we will be at a significant disadvantage.

At the same time, I think some of the export controls on things like chips, I think you can see how they're clearly working in a way because, you know, there was all the conversation with DeepSeek about, oh, they did all these like very impressive low-level optimizations.

And

The reality is they did, and that is impressive.

But then you ask, why did they have to do that when none of the American labs did it?

And it's like, well, because they're using partially nerfed chips that are the only thing that NVIDIA is allowed to sell in China because of the export controls.

So DeepSeq basically had to go spend

a bunch of their calories and time doing low-level infrastructure optimizations that the American labs didn't have to do.

Now, they produced a good result on text, right?

I mean, DeepSeq is text only.

So the infrastructure is impressive.

The text result is impressive.