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Mark Zuckerberg

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

So...

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I think that that's quite good.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

Then there's the reasoning phenomenon, which you basically are alluding to with talking about 03 and 04 and some of the other models.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I do think that there is this specialization that's happening where if you want to model

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

that is sort of the best at math problems or coding or different things like that.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I do think that these reasoning models with a lot of the ability to just consume more test time or inference time compute in order to provide more intelligence is a really compelling paradigm.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

But for a lot of the applications that, and we're gonna do that too, we're building a Lama 4 reasoning model and that'll come out at some point.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

For a lot of the things that we care about,

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

Latency and good intelligence per cost are actually much more important product attributes.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

If you're primarily designing for a consumer product, people don't necessarily want it to wait like half a minute to go think through the answer.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

If you can provide an answer that's generally quite good too in like half a second, then that's great and that's a good trade-off.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

So I think that both of these are gonna end up being

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

important directions.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I am optimistic about integrating the reasoning models with kind of the core language models over time.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I think that's sort of the direction that Google has gone in with some of the more recent Gemini models.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And I think that that's really promising.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

But I think that there's just going to be a bunch of different stuff that goes on.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

I mean, you also mentioned the whole chatbot arena thing, which I think is interesting.

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And it goes to this challenge around how do you do the benchmarking, right?

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Mark Zuckerberg โ€” AI Will Write Most Meta Code in 18 Months

And basically, how do you know what models are good for which things?