Martin Casado

Like that pattern I just described, it's extremely easy to get a correct replica just by copying it all over and over, but very expensive to operate in the long run.

Yeah, I think, number one, you should insist on having a copy of all of your own company data in a data lake that you control.

don't let go of that for any vendor.

You have a lot of leverage.

These vendors actually have a lot of obligations to let you do that.

The reason why they get away with blocking people is simply because people don't fight.

So pick fights.

And write it into your...

If you have big contracts with vendors and you're redlining your MSAs, write language guaranteeing your own data access into those MSAs.

We have model language on opendateinfrastructure.com.

that we recommend you incorporate into your MSAs.

And even if you don't get it, just by asking for it, you are sending a signal.

So, you know, if it's a $10,000 contract, don't do it.

But if you're signing, you know, $500K million contracts, insist on data access in your MSA.

And you will find, surprisingly often, that you get it.

I actually set up OpenClaw.

That's great.

Well, I set up OpenClaw and then I turned off of it onto NanoClaw because it's such a monstrous piece of over-complex software.

And then I actually turned off NanoClaw onto Nanobot, which is what I've stuck with.

But I use it to manage my tennis team.