Martin Devlin

And he's also been earmarked for a couple of seasons now.

TJ's been mentioning him.

Yeah, All Blacks 15.

Yeah, I'm wondering just when you're saying that, boys, as this 34, obviously for the first three tests, and I'm wondering whether or not, no disrespect to Italy, but Italy is a game where a guy like Akoi could get his debut.

I can see him in the 44 going to South Africa.

We're not picking the 44 today, but I can see him in there because I think they're going to take extra forwards is what they're going to take on that tour.

Another 10 players, probably a 6-4 split.

tinkering in the second test so arkoy's not in our squad at this point so how can he play against italy if he's not in the squad he's potentially in mine because i'd probably take five locks ah and five lucy's five locks and five lucys okay because what you were saying is we moved to the lucys is that you're saying that uh rob he's a lucy as well yeah rob had six and maybe i have is my um six i keep going back to it he came on the program mark at the start of the year and he said that he wants to play lock he wants to play lock and he wants to play lock i want him to play

And I just think with Scott Barrett gone, to me, he's our money guy.

He's proven himself against South Africa over there at highest level.

And I just think that somebody's got to take that responsibility.

I don't think it's Josh Lord at the moment.

I don't think Patrick can start the game.

I think he's much better coming off the bench.

And so I look at Tupou and I say, you're it now, mate.

You're it.

OK, we'll get to that in a second.

But that's the bigger question for me.

So, you know, you're talking like Max.

Max would love this discussion as well.