Martin Devlin

You lose that one, Mark.

First fives, he had loved Barrett, and you could throw McKenzie in there because obviously one of them is going to be fullback, okay?

So I don't think any of us are arguing about –

at least two of those names, you're going to argue about Bowdoin Barrett.

I think Bowdoin Barrett makes this squad regardless.

I think he does.

I think Dave Rennie picks him.

That's a step backwards.

But I think he picks him.

I'm not sure about the World Cup next year.

I think we're doing a job this year, and I think this squad and South Africa... This is for July, right?

How many tests has Ruben Love played at first five for the All Blacks?

No, I'm talking about at first five, though.

Mate, that's the most vital position in our team is playing 10.

Well, we're going to agree on McKenzie and Love, aren't we?

You're going to get overruled again, mate.

We're going to go for Barrett just because we think it is going to be the option that they do choose.

Let's go to second fives.

Barrett, Jay Barrett and Tupai are our second fives.

Let's all agree on that.