Martin Koppelmann

No, to some extent there is.

So we will work on a new roll-up that is...

Yeah, kind of maximally kind of Ethereum in a way is very similar to this native roll-up talk.

So kind of it will have, there will be no sequencers or no one has a special role in this new roll-up other than kind of Ethereum validators and Ethereum...

So that is at least meant to be a proof of, or kind of a first one chain that fully supports this EEZ.

But then in parallel, other chains, and Gnosis will be one of them, will join.

So essentially, there will be a moment when a chain in some form needs to upgrade, and in some form needs to upgrade their settlement mechanism or bridge mechanisms to enable those synchronous exchanges.

Yeah, synchronous composable transactions.

And I would say the first chain that enables that, that will be kind of the launch of EZ.

In a way, the analogy here is that it was always one of my criticisms of the previous or this L2 roadmap so far that it wouldn't really create network effect.

So kind of this effect of, well, more people dancing makes it more attractive to dance with them.

That wasn't really the case.

So kind of if there's yet another L2 launched somewhere,

that doesn't make, has not necessarily immediate impact on all other tools in a positive way.

And that equation changes here because, yeah, well, the more people dance, the more fun it is to join.

Well, back then it was only Bitcoin.

So Bitcoin was the reason to go into that space.

I was a little bit curious.

So I was at the time...

getting more into what what money actually is so it was at the time uh when when the euro was well in a little bit trouble there were all those huge bailout things and and i was trying to figure out what what what does those things even mean and what does money even mean what does it mean if those huge amounts are flowing around there and well then