Martin Wolf

So essentially, the tentacles of

of the party and him are everywhere in every branch of the economy, in government, and in the judicial system.

And the final thing I think that is very important, he's made it very, very difficult for any entity which is independent of

to get money from abroad.

So he's really policed that very, very, very, very carefully.

And one of the most famous example, of course, is that the university that George Soros had promoted in Budapest, which is very famous, was essentially driven out because of the connection with George Soros, who was seen as hostile.

So essentially the urbanism and Auburn himself has taken over society in the state.

I think that is correct.

I mean, I haven't mentioned that obviously because it was sort of related, but it's a bit external.

I mean, he's been very, very clear that he supports Vladimir Putin.

He has been extremely hostile to Ukraine.

He's also been extremely friendly with Donald Trump and the critique that Trump and his MAGA people constantly make of the EU.

It's very clear that Orban is on the other side.

So he's on the side of Trump and Putin against Trump.

the EU and some of its most important values and projects, I mean, supporting Ukraine.

And yet he takes all this money and he uses his, and then again, he uses his veto famously to stop the EU from acting.

So I, to me, he's essentially a fifth column.

Well, this is the last thing that is really left.

It's still...

What the academics and researchers who study this would call an electoral democracy.