Marty

You've mentioned legacy a couple of times.

I love this because Sean Fitzpatrick was on the show as well, and he talked about this, and just in terms of going to South Africa, how important it is for the players to understand what it is.

He talked about 96 and Don Clark crying in the tunnel, and for all of us of the generation that remember that, it's so special, and that's something that... I mean, I even rate it bigger than winning World Cup, Gilbert.

That's because I woke up in the 70s in the middle of the night watching us lose over there and things like that.

I just... The importance of this...

is to new zealand rugby to the all blacks to preparation for next year we're going to know everything about all of our players by the end of this but the legacy aspect to it that that the team that everyone understands what it is we're trying to do over there who we're facing the hundred years of it how important is all of that to you because you've mentioned legacy twice oh it's everything you know the legacy is far more intimidating than any opponent um

A couple to go.

The no dickheads policy, was that about not being a dickhead or is it a way of suppressing individualism within a tight team environment?

How do you now define that when you look back at it?

Because a lot of people have a different interpretation of what no dickhead means.

It's such a great expression.

It's forever.

It's one of those brilliant rugby things which is forever.

I love it.

I mean, yeah, but please.

I don't know.

It doesn't have to be a non-gender specific head.

You know?

So optimism, another word, and Dave used this and he used the word optimistic.

And I always take note of these things when I hear words, you know, because I think, you know, they are meaningful.