Mary Coustas

And then when you're not in that family anymore, it's really hard because you have to kind of hijack other people's Christmases, other people's Easters and long weekends.

And that's exhausting.

But if you don't set something up, you know, it's also really lonely.

So it's a really...

Yeah, no, we know, we know that.

But it's hard, you know, like Lewis was five when we separated and, you know, he's an avid sort of little surfer, you know, him and dad would always surf.

So if we went on holidays, like a beach holiday, I was the mum that never went in the water.

And then he could, like, there was all of these things that you just, you just go, oh, wow.

And now he's 17, you know, I can't even get him to watch a movie with me, let alone go on holiday.

Yeah.

So, yeah, I just actually prefer just a normal weekend.

So that's my loser moment.

Who else wants to share a sad moment?

You guys have really thrown more sparks on this one.

Yeah, I've never really said that out loud because, first of all, you put on a happy face, don't you, for holidays, and you don't want to sound like the person that's, you know.

Yeah.

Yeah, miserable.

So that's the first time I've shared that on a podcast.

Anyway, what else?

What would someone not know about you that you're holding, carrying?