Matt Amdur

We created, we created a, a, a fake fan blog. Wondering if it would thinking that this might get his attention and he, boy, he just chomped down on it. The one thing I did really love is when you got the kind of the letter from the email from him, right? Telling you like, look, the lawyers have some issues with this. Yeah. And you kept going.

We created, we created a, a, a fake fan blog. Wondering if it would thinking that this might get his attention and he, boy, he just chomped down on it. The one thing I did really love is when you got the kind of the letter from the email from him, right? Telling you like, look, the lawyers have some issues with this. Yeah. And you kept going.

making the change that he requested and then making some other change as well that would be in the opposite direction. But you kept not following his directions precisely and forcing him to come back and be like, okay, thank you for taking down the NetApp logo there, but you've put the NetApp logo now. Now you're using it in three other places that you're not allowed to use it.

making the change that he requested and then making some other change as well that would be in the opposite direction. But you kept not following his directions precisely and forcing him to come back and be like, okay, thank you for taking down the NetApp logo there, but you've put the NetApp logo now. Now you're using it in three other places that you're not allowed to use it.

It was really great is what I got to say. It was delightful. It was a masterstroke. Nonstop Lawyers is the blog entry that describes your ultimate exasperation because it feels like whatever you do, the lawyers are telling you to do something different when in reality, your alter ego was deliberately doing things incorrectly. It was really, anyway, chef's kiss. Good stuff.

It was really great is what I got to say. It was delightful. It was a masterstroke. Nonstop Lawyers is the blog entry that describes your ultimate exasperation because it feels like whatever you do, the lawyers are telling you to do something different when in reality, your alter ego was deliberately doing things incorrectly. It was really, anyway, chef's kiss. Good stuff.

That's not why we're here. So we are here, and so people complain, people who do complain about us giving insufficient context may complain this time that we give too much context. I'm just going to warn you in advance, because this is a note that Andy Jassy sent last week on a return to the office mandate for Amazon.

That's not why we're here. So we are here, and so people complain, people who do complain about us giving insufficient context may complain this time that we give too much context. I'm just going to warn you in advance, because this is a note that Andy Jassy sent last week on a return to the office mandate for Amazon.

So Amazon, and I think this happened actually maybe just before we did our episode last time, two and a half years ago, or around the same time, had a hybrid return to the office mandate. You'd return to the office for three days a week. Which, I mean, feels, I don't know. I mean, what was your take on that at the time?

So Amazon, and I think this happened actually maybe just before we did our episode last time, two and a half years ago, or around the same time, had a hybrid return to the office mandate. You'd return to the office for three days a week. Which, I mean, feels, I don't know. I mean, what was your take on that at the time?

I think it's you are someone who, I mean, this is probably true for me as well, like really missed that in-person collaboration that we had in an office.

I think it's you are someone who, I mean, this is probably true for me as well, like really missed that in-person collaboration that we had in an office.

I think that the path that this podcast took is very much a consequence of that. And we talked about that earlier, that the thing that when people talk about what you have in the office that's so special, one of the things is junior engineers being able to get lunch with senior engineers. And for us, that was getting dinner on Monday nights.

I think that the path that this podcast took is very much a consequence of that. And we talked about that earlier, that the thing that when people talk about what you have in the office that's so special, one of the things is junior engineers being able to get lunch with senior engineers. And for us, that was getting dinner on Monday nights.

And we've talked about this, that this podcast kind of serves that purpose, we think, or gets to some of that, of tapping into wisdom and letting people kind of... gathering at the metaphorical bar, if you will, where the bar only serves Diet Cokes, as it turns out. So no, I think it's a very good point that this podcast is very much a consequence of that.

And we've talked about this, that this podcast kind of serves that purpose, we think, or gets to some of that, of tapping into wisdom and letting people kind of... gathering at the metaphorical bar, if you will, where the bar only serves Diet Cokes, as it turns out. So no, I think it's a very good point that this podcast is very much a consequence of that.

So yes, so we, so mixed feelings maybe two and a half years ago. And I think it was interesting to re-listen to that conversation where, because Lucas in particular was like, all right, hey, we seem to be kind of in praise of remote work. Can we kind of talk about some of the things we have lost here? Some of the things that we only get from in-person collaboration.

So yes, so we, so mixed feelings maybe two and a half years ago. And I think it was interesting to re-listen to that conversation where, because Lucas in particular was like, all right, hey, we seem to be kind of in praise of remote work. Can we kind of talk about some of the things we have lost here? Some of the things that we only get from in-person collaboration.

I actually want to come back to that because I think there's a lot of things we can talk about there. But this note, so Amazon had this kind of hybrid model three days a week. You had to be in an office, which is where this thing begins to kind of teeter a little bit. It's not like the office because Amazon's not in one office anymore. I mean, do you know folks at Amazon currently?

I actually want to come back to that because I think there's a lot of things we can talk about there. But this note, so Amazon had this kind of hybrid model three days a week. You had to be in an office, which is where this thing begins to kind of teeter a little bit. It's not like the office because Amazon's not in one office anymore. I mean, do you know folks at Amazon currently?