Matt Bai

They're not doing their job.

They're shut down.

You know, you shouldn't be in Disney World enjoying yourself, and so it's fine to chase you around.

I don't know what the relevance of that is.

If you're at home, if you're at Disney World, I mean, I think politicians get to be people, right?

We lost something...

as journalists and as a country when they decided they had to erect a wall between themselves and the media and the public because it was too risky to be people.

So of all the things I really don't like about Donald Trump, and I've been pretty clear that that's just about everything, I will give him credit for talking all the time to the media too much.

He's accessible.

He's actually out there.

He wants to be.

He needs to be seen, needs to be heard.

I have lived through an era where I went from, you know, riding around in cars and buses and getting to know candidates who wanted to govern the country and having lunch with them and, you know, socializing to an extent that I understood who they were.

to an era when it would be almost impossible to have that kind of proximity to leading politicians of the day.

I mean, they basically are social media practitioners who really just want to go around the media and, in a sense, not really talk to voters either.

And we created that climate.

We have some responsibility for it.

And I think if you're chasing a

politician around, you know, in Disney World because he seems to be having too good a time when the government's not perfect.

I don't I don't know how constructive that is.