Matt Bernstein

Sadly, I really fucking hate that the right is really good at this because Democrats are not as good at this in terms of propaganda where, you know, Riley Gaines is probably one of these people where they're like, we got to get her for this thing.

Or like even more recently, Samantha Fonlecki at, I think, Oklahoma U, where it's like useful pawn for the culture war, for the political movement.

And they will prop that person up and give them everything.

Mm hmm.

And I think just for myself to just to be very honest, because back and forth leading up to this interview, you know, we've talked a little bit in the back of my mind.

I'm like, what if like, you know, what if the intentions are bad?

What if this is like a.

like an infiltration or I, you know, I don't know.

I kept going back and forth, but it was one of those things where it's like, it would be so much easier if there was any sort of bad intentions to just sort of sit down and sort of be in that sphere still and just sort of not talk, you know?

And I did, to be completely honest.

I did at first.

And like I said, I do believe your intentions are good as well.

It was just that at first I was like, oh, I know.

It's a common story that you, of course, touched on here is that you don't understand or sort of switch your perspective on things until it happens to you.

Because from my perspective, for some context, I have been super politically minded and active since I was in high school.

From a fairly early age, I realized I was bisexual.

And then shortly after that, I realized I was trans.

So in the back of my mind, I was always like, and this was before gay marriage was legalized.

This was when Fox News

was bringing on pastors being like, the Bible says you can't have, it's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve, you know, the classic bullshit.