Matt Bernstein

The National Endowment for the Humanities, or NEH, a federal grant-making agency that supports research, education, and public programs across the country, was gutted by 97% in 22 days.

Cuts included museum air conditioning funding, newspaper digitization, documentary filmmaker grants, and more.

By the end of 2025, Fortune estimated that the number of jobs destroyed by Doge-related cuts was 400,000.

A few of the groups whose grants were cut due to DEI, including the American Historical Association and the Modern Language Association, filed a lawsuit seeking to reinstate their funding.

And so lawyers recently deposed two young Doge employees.

Dogebros, as you might know them, named Justin Fox and Nathan Kavanaugh about their time at Doge and why and how they canceled thousands of grants at the NEH.

Videos of their depositions were available online until a few days ago when the government asked for them to be removed, saying that they had no legitimate bearing on the case.

The judge ordered for the depositions to be taken down and

And now those full videos are nowhere to be found on the internet.

I don't agree with the government or the judge.

I think people who terrorize the livelihoods and careers of hundreds of thousands of Americans should be household names.

I think they should be celebrities.

If they can, with the flick of a wrist, upend our lives based on their judgment of our usefulness, I think we're entitled to judge them with a fraction of the same scrutiny.

So, thanks to the person who bravely stored all of these depositions on the Internet Archive, I spent 12 hours watching Justin and Nathan make their case about why LGBTQ people don't deserve funding.

And today, I'm going to make my case about why we don't hate these people enough.

That's what we got going on today, Crystal.

And to do that, I am so excited to be joined by Crystal Ball.

You most likely know her as the co-host of Breaking Points, which is definitely part of my news diet.

Crystal, welcome to the show.

How do you feel top line before we get into because I essentially spent yesterday watching 12 hours of deposition footage in 2x speed, which severely fried my brain, as one might imagine.