Matt Clifford

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Hi, Kate.

I suspect we probably disagree about the role of economic growth.

And so my question for you is this.

Seems clear to me that over the last 300 years or so, growth has been the single most important force lifting people out of poverty and improving living standards.

If you're living in 1700, say, it would have been very hard, I think, to argue that people had enough prosperity.

So my question is, how should we know when growth has stopped being the solution and started being the problem in your view?

Is there a level of income, welfare or material comfort at which society should deliberately stop prioritising growth?

And if so, how would we tell?

We have to figure out that coordination both within the industry and maybe more importantly and more challengingly with China.

Gosh, I didn't think it was you that would be doing the purity test, Rory.

Did you expect it?