Matt Clifford

Because you became a journalist straight out of that.

You mentioned creative writing as a hobby, and for those of us who read your newsletter, we kind of get to experience this every week.

But was that always going to be the side hustle and the...

It's interesting.

I was saying this just before, but I think it is worth saying that arguably the two most successful Brits in the history of Silicon Valley are Jack Clark, co-founder of the fastest growing company of all time, and Mike Moritz, the Sequoia Capital partner and funder of Google, among many others.

Oh, damn it.

He's not in Silicon Valley, though.

He lives on the road.

He's not abandoned us yet, unlike you, Jack.

And both you and Mike Morris trained as journalists.

Is that a coincidence?

Did it feel weird to make the jump when you jumped into working open AI?

Or did it feel quite natural by that point?

I was already bought by Google by then, right?

And it's worth maybe just spending a minute on something you already alluded to, which is that, you know, Dario, when he went to work at OpenAI, had already done this work on concrete problems in AI safety.

And actually, at the time...

If we think about the context in which OpenAI was founded, it was actually quite oriented around at least safety from the perspective of things like concentration of power and other risks, right?

I mean, we've recently, because of this epic court battle between Elon Musk and OpenAI, seen a lot of the founding emails and documents.

And there's this big thing of we don't want Demis to...

control this technology.