Matt Forde

But over time, politicians can sort of end up in a position, and I don't think people mind that.

It's just that, I guess, you're right, with Star Wars, it never felt like it was...

Never felt like it was coming from somewhere.

You know, with Tony Blair, you knew he was a moderniser, so at least you knew he was coming from there.

With Corbyn, you understood that he was on the hard level.

You know, Thatcher and Major, you sort of understood the traditions they came from.

Whereas Keir Starmer, probably more than any other Labour leader in history, was so keen to reject the sense that he was from any particular wing.

But then I guess, who were your allies?

Starmer's language was quite interesting over the years, and I just wonder which bits you might have liked.

I mean, there was a phrase he kept using, sticking plaster politics, which I never felt I understood what he meant, the idea that you don't want these quick fixes, but it never really conveyed the magnitude of the job at hand.

He also said he wanted to mainline AI into the veins of the UK.

He also talks about fundamentally rewiring the British state.

The tepid bath of managed decline.

Am I right that Starmer stole one of your jokes?

So, I mean, sometimes comedians will have material lifted by other comedians.

How does it feel to have been joke-thieved by a world leader?

What do you make of it?

Ria, it's a bit of a fan favourite here on Strong Message here.

What do you make of the phrase, the tepid bath of managed decline?

And therefore the state must intervene.