Matt Fradd

That's right.

But someone will say, but I'm afraid of being a hypocrite.

Well, I'm afraid of saying I believe something I don't believe.

And I'm afraid of being mercenary.

Like I'm afraid of only believing in Jesus so I escape hell.

That doesn't seem like a very righteous, virtuous thing to do.

So I wouldn't commit to it until I can be quite convinced.

You didn't read this one document from the 14th century.

No, you're kind of... In the original language in which it was written.

Yeah.

What do you say about the argument of, you know, the non-believer who wants to believe in God, but God, he just can't.

This, I mean, I heard Alex O'Connor talk to Father Gregory Pine about this in a recent back and forth.

There are atheists who claim that they want to believe in God, but they just can't.

And so this is somehow an argument against God's existence, because if God does exist and wants them to be saved, he would need to make his existence plain enough to them to

so that they could go ahead and believe.

The fact that he hasn't done that is an argument from the hiddenness of God, which I think would be like a subset of the problem of evil.

Feel free to state that better than I just did, because I think it's important that we still man the argument.

Hang on.

Okay, let me push back because can't this be the case?

Can't it be true that, say you're God, you want me to believe in you,